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Eric Kaufmann 教授揭露加拿大人对卡尼不了解的真相

Elie Cantin-Nantel 2026年5月3日

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eL5vY6QBCc

加拿大给西方世界敲响了警钟，警示世人当“觉醒主义”掌控一个国家的体制时会发生什么。

没有人比埃里克·考夫曼（Eric Kaufmann）更了解这一点。考夫曼是加拿大白金汉大学的政治学教授，也是《第三次觉醒：遏制进步极端主义的十二点计划》（The Third Awokening: A 12-Point Plan for Rolling Back Progressive Extremism）一书的作者。

除了谈论“觉醒主义”之外，考夫曼还告诉我一些关于马克·卡尼（Mark Carney）的事情，而这些事情大多数加拿大人并不知情。

购买埃里克·考夫曼的著作: https://www.amazon.ca/Third-Awokening...

第一章：引言 觉醒运动包含两个方面。一方面是运动能量，在2020年或2021年左右达到顶峰，之后便开始衰落。 在报纸和世界各地的影响力。另一方面是觉醒运动的制度化，即多元、公平和包容（DEI）政策。 尽管卡尼不像特鲁多那样大肆宣扬，但他并没有触碰任何“窃贼”。 他或多或少是在为觉醒运动提供掩护，而且没有哪个政客真正挑战他。

新闻与评论一周年纪念。 我不相信政府资助新闻业。你必须重建基础。你必须重述故事。 真正重要的市场保守派新闻。因此，我认为他们应该回答他们的问题，尤其是一些涉及政治的问题。

加拿大被指控，是对西方世界的警告，当觉醒意识形态掌控你们的每一个机构时会发生什么。 埃里克·考夫曼教授对此深有体会。他是英国白金汉大学的政治学教授，著有《第三次觉醒》一书，这是一项旨在遏制进步主义极端主义的12点计划。考夫曼曾出现在许多世界顶级播客节目中，包括乔丹·彼得森的播客，他最近还接受了我的采访，在温哥华。我们聊了聊加拿大现在正在发生的事情。我问他们，如果自由党真的在马克·卡尼的领导下走向何方，以及加拿大在国际舞台上的形象如何，为什么他们还能连任？

我们还讨论了年轻人最终如何拯救加拿大。这是一场绝对精彩的对话，你绝对不想错过。但在我们开始这场必看对话之前，请确保您已订阅，并在下方评论区留下您的想法，点赞此视频，开启通知，并考虑每月不到5美元的付费订阅，因为与传统媒体不同，我们不接受政府的任何资助。所以，我今天采访的是教授 第二章：访谈

埃里克·考夫曼。呃，埃里克，看起来2024年11月“觉醒”运动就结束了。 唐纳德·特朗普赢得了2024年大选。很多大公司都放弃了多元化、公平和包容（DEI）政策，在加拿大，Pure Polyv公司取得了巨大的在拿破仑选举中领先，看起来加拿大即将迎来一场清算，然后马克·卡尼突然出现，自由党获得了第四个任期。

他们继续推行“觉醒”政策。加拿大到底发生了什么？为什么我们没有像世界其他地方那样看到一场大规模的“觉醒”运动？

是的，我的意思是，我认为这里面有几个原因。我的意思是，首先，“觉醒”运动包含两个方面。一方面是运动能量，在2020年左右达到顶峰。

或者2021年，之后其影响力开始在报纸和世界各地逐渐减弱。另一方面是“觉醒”运动的制度化，即多元化、公平和包容（DEI）政策，也就是所谓的公平和多元化，意味着结果平等和包容。 这意味着为了避免冒犯任何人而进行的言论压制，这些政策逐渐制度化。另一方面，在美国，特朗普政府执政的共和党州开始采取行动，将这些东西从公共机构中移除，但当然，在加拿大，这种情况还没有真正发生。 除了阿尔伯塔省的轻微行动。嗯，当然，接下来发生的事情是，特朗普关于“第51个州”的言论，以及关税政策，产生了一种“团结在国旗周围”的效应。卡尼占据了有利位置，实际上我认为特鲁多在被赶下台之前就已经从中受益了。

所以卡尼能够把自己塑造成一个精明干练的银行家，他会保护你免受那个坏橙色男人的侵害。

对吧？所以我认为这在某种程度上冻结了加拿大的正常发展，并延长了某些人的寿命。

你知道，对于觉醒派来说，当然，即使卡尼不像特鲁多那样咄咄逼人，他也没有触碰任何窃贼，他更像是为觉醒派提供掩护，并能如此轻易地融入其中，而且没有哪个政治家真正就此挑战他。 他表现得像个中间派，而实际上他是在保护激进主义。而且他并没有在媒体或其他政治家那里真正受到挑战。我认为，如果我们想要看到一些改变，这或许是必要的。 再次。我们谈到了两个有趣的观点，我会做一个双重后续提问。你谈到了卡尼对激进主义的保护，并且还想问： 你认为加拿大人被告知媒体对马克·卡尼的报道是否属实？你认为大多数加拿大人对马克·卡尼的某些事情并不了解吗？ 嗯，可能不是。我的意思是，媒体显然很喜欢马克·卡尼。 加拿大的主流媒体显然非常左倾，而其他一些国家（例如英国）的媒体则更加平衡。嗯，所以媒体没有对他进行审查，也没有，你知道，你必须把文化问题放在首要位置。所以你需要在下议院的议事厅里讨论这些问题。你需要报纸上刊登这些问题。你需要让普通民众了解这些问题。你知道，马克·卡尼对跨性别问题什么也不做。

这个问题很荒谬，你知道，男女监狱、男女变性手术等等。他根本不碰都不碰。至于原住民问题，他完全支持“我们都有罪，我们生活在被窃取的土地上”这种说法。他根本不碰都不碰。你知道，他之所以能逍遥法外，是因为媒体永远不会追究他的责任，因为他们都同意他的观点。而且， 反对派政客们也还没有关注这个问题。在我看来，虽然我并非一直都在这里，但我的印象是，波利夫仍然试图抓住经济上的细枝末节不放，而且我认为他并不真正愿意说：“嘿，这就是我们机构里那种作秀。这些不是，这是不切实际的价值观，反家庭，反一切。”卡尼在保护这些人，但他并没有。我没听到那种言论。呃，也许是我错过了，但感觉他得到了豁免权。呃，前保守党领袖艾琳·图勒最近接受采访时说，保守派应该远离文化战争问题。你知道，他们确实做了一些，但做得还不够，没有我们有些人希望的那么多，但显然连这都太多了。对此你有什么看法？你认为如果皮埃尔·波利夫想在下次选举中取得更好的成绩，他应该在一些文化问题上加倍努力吗？ 是的，我的意思是，嗯，简单来说，我认为奥图尔仍然停留在老一套的模式里，左派说，你知道，保守派可以谈论关于经济，但你不能越界。嗯，奥托说：“是啊，让我们做有用的傻瓜，让左派来管管可接受言论的界限，这样或许一些中间派选民会觉得我们没问题。” 显然，这对奥托来说行不通。嗯，不。我认为如果你看看民意调查，看看各种问题，无论是撤换约翰·A·麦克唐纳爵士，还是加拿大，加拿大是否是一个种族主义国家，以及，你知道，嗯，我们应该在所有这些问题上采取有色人种意识还是无色人种政策，以及许多其他问题。我为MLI做了一项调查显示，加拿大公众以二比一的比例反对觉醒主义立场。所以，觉醒势力有充分的动机压制这些辩论，并强制规定你在礼貌场合的言论界限。他们想要做一个有用的傻瓜，随波逐流。但实际上，我们需要的是相反的策略，那就是将这些问题的重要性和可见度不断提升到左翼议程的更高位置，所以应该有人问卡尼，嗯，女人到底是什么？ 让他难堪，让他回答这个问题，不要给他任何回避的机会。这就是我设想中需要发生的事情。现在，当然，在联邦辩论中你永远不会看到这种情况，因为主流媒体永远不会问这个问题，但总得有人把这些问题提上议程，这样人们才能理解自由党在以下方面究竟有多么激进：

他们在体制内捍卫的是什么。我的意思是，你需要提升文化战争的议题。 例如，在阿尔伯塔省，丹尼尔·史密斯正在慢慢地做一些类似的事情，在我看来，这丝毫没有损害她的胜算。 我的意思是，你仍然需要在经济上有所作为，但我认为，政党之间的这些分歧越能被提上议程，就越好。 嗯，我觉得像奥图尔这样的人，他只是在迎合媒体精英和那些在渥太华邀请你参加晚宴的人的观点。是的，在我看来，那将是一个灾难性的策略。 嗯，所以最近几周，加拿大因为一些事件，包括一位名叫……的国会议员，在国际上声名狼藉。莉亚·加赞（Leah Gazan）想出了一个新的LGBTQ 缩写，我记得是 MWY G2SLGBTQQ。 还有新民主党大会，会上出现了公平卡，以及所有这些觉醒的闹剧。 你在英国工作，所以你经常在加拿大以外的地方。人们对加拿大的看法是什么？ 在加拿大以外，人们认为加拿大是世界上最觉醒的国家吗？

是的，我认为加拿大在这种病毒式传播的东西上有点沦为笑柄，对吧？问题在于这些政客和活动家们生活在泡沫里。他们觉得这很正常，但一旦曝光，就成了笑柄。 对吧？但这恰恰说明了他们是如何逍遥法外的，因为他们被所有这些精英公共规范和这些机构所保护，在他们的世界里，当然，他们想尽可能地展现道德优越感，对吧？嗯，所以，是的，我认为公平呃，你知道，呃，压迫积分卡之类的东西，我很惊讶他们没有准备一副扑克牌，让某人可以挥舞一张A。你知道，我符合所有条件，而其他人，嗯，我可能得10分。我有点种族认同，但我没有性取向。

所以我给自己打10分，对吧？然后那个白人，直男，到处走来走去，只有2分。嗯，但是不，我认为这都源于人们普遍认为加拿大是觉醒主义的发源地，对吧？我的意思是，其他国家也有类似的问题，比如新西兰新西兰有他们的莫伊议程，爱尔兰也有很多觉醒主义。嗯，但我认为如果我们来赌一匹马，对吧？嗯，你在英国教书。 10分56秒 好的，英国最近因为审查制度频频登上新闻，禁止持有政府认为冒犯性观点的人入境，并将因言论犯罪而入狱的人送进监狱。呃，在加拿大，卡尼政府有一项名为C9法案的提案，该提案可能将圣经定为犯罪，而特鲁多试图通过C63法案，一位律师告诉我，这将是最反乌托邦式的言论立法。你是否担心卡尼和自由党会在言论自由方面把加拿大带入像英国那样的境地？

哦，是的，我很担心。我认为这是合乎逻辑的结果，因为别忘了，这不仅仅是法律本身的问题，尽管法律表面上看起来可能有点无害。问题在于，它会如何让机构、人权法庭等部门的爪牙们采取行动，并声称：“是的，但因为这条法律，我们必须这样做。” 即使他们曲解了法律。 所以，我们在英国经常看到这种情况，他们会说因为2010年的《平等法案》，呃，我们不能让这位所谓的“恐跨性别者”来校园，或者这些性别批判女权主义者，我们不能允许他们畅所欲言，因为这违反了《平等法案》。现在，并非违反了《平等法案》，而是他们可能故意或出于无知而曲解了这些法案。所以实际上，你必须考虑这件事会如何渗透，以及它将产生的寒蝉效应，因为没有人愿意冒着被带到这些法庭的风险。所以，是的，我认为这将产生巨大的影响。嗯，我认为英国之所以处于目前的境地，其中一个原因是2000年代中期的恐怖主义问题以及反伊斯兰激进化运动，这赋予了警方很大的权力，来发表一些警察言论。嗯，最初，你知道，反恐这个概念只是一个幌子。 很快，焦点就从伊斯兰恐怖主义转向了所谓的极右翼白人民族主义者。对吧？所以，你做的任何事情都可能产生意想不到的后果。但我想说的是，在英国，媒体和议会都在强烈反对，那些非暴力仇恨事件，比如有人上门骚扰。实际上，这些法律正在逐步被废除。现在，它仍然存在于官僚机构中，也就是政府部门里。

可能要等到下届政府才能彻底废除，但目前已经有很多公开的反对声音。所以，我还是更担心加拿大在这方面的情况，实际上比英国更让我担忧，因为加拿大，我们仍然不知道这些法律会走向何方。而且它们可能会走得更远。

我觉得比英国的情况要好。我们在加拿大上次大选中看到的是，年纪大的人，也就是婴儿潮一代，投了自由党的票，而年轻人投了保守党的票。年轻人比老年人更右倾。你怎么看待这种现象？首先，就我所见，这在西方是独一无二的。比如在英国，年轻人更左倾。也许他们介于右翼和左翼之间，如果你只看25岁以下的年轻人，情况可能更糟。

我看到一些民调显示，支持保守党改革的选民比例只有10%。 对吧？而全国范围内，25岁以下人群的左倾比例高达50%，只有10%左右。所以年轻人明显更左倾。 嗯，再看看加拿大，那里的年轻人，你知道，我觉得这取决于你看哪个民调，安格斯·里德（Angus Reed）的民调可能不是这样。看起来更像是年轻人和老年人一样，但无论如何，这都是个例外。而且我觉得这很有意思。还有这让我对加拿大的未来更有希望，因为你们有一代人正在反抗进步主义的灌输。 嗯，而在英国，他们一直在反抗保守党执政14年、脱欧以及其他种种事情。他们仍然认为右翼是建制派。所以他们会成为反叛的左翼分子。嗯，但在加拿大，奇怪又有趣的是，他们反抗的是一个很大程度上觉醒的建制派。因此，这就开启了一种截然不同的世代特征。嗯，我认为如果你看看民意调查数据，你会发现实际上存在非常广泛的两极分化在年轻人中。所以，在加拿大，年轻人既比老年人更反觉醒，又比老年人更觉醒。而且我我觉得当这群年轻人成为中间选民时，看看他们的政治立场会很有意思。我的意思是，他们的立场会非常非常两极分化。所以，这会很有意思。 不过，如果你观察年轻人，会发现保守派主要是年轻男性，而年轻女性，呃，似乎所有年龄段的，都倾向于更偏向左翼。人们对白人自由派女性有一种刻板印象，但在一些民意调查中，我们看到，实际上，例如在移民问题上，我们会看到白人自由派女性比移民本身更支持移民。 为什么这个群体似乎非常非常倾向于更进步的思想？是的，我的意思是，有很多不同的理论。所以我的意思是，很明显，海伦·安德鲁斯那种女性化论点，认为女性在进化过程中被选择成为照顾者，而这种照顾本能现在已经扩展到各种受害群体。 我认为这是其中一部分原因，但我认为可能更重要的是，女性倾向于支持现有的道德秩序。所以，如果你在学校、媒体和青年文化中被灌输的那种享有盛誉的道德秩序是觉醒的，那么女性就会维护并遵守这种道德秩序。我认为这非常重要。 例如，年轻女性，她们在其他时代和地区更虔诚，对吧。嗯，在美国，我们有可以追溯到1970年的数据，女性在70年代和80年代比男性更保守。直到2010年代，男女之间的分歧才开始显现。而且我认为这实际上是由于这场“大觉醒”，她们非常支持精英道德，也就是共识道德。我还看到一些数据表明，随着“觉醒运动”的兴起，这种趋势已经达到顶峰，并开始逐渐消退。 大约在2021年，就像在美国一样，18岁的大一女生，她们的政治立场变得更加保守，保守了15个百分点。在上一次美国大选中，我认为年轻女性的政治立场又向共和党倾斜了6个百分点。

自2020年以来，她们的政治立场更加倾向于共和党。所以，我认为我们已经见证了女性进步觉醒主义的顶峰。 我的意思是，我认为我们已经达到了那个顶峰，它开始从那个高峰回落，但目前她们仍然更加觉醒，因为年轻男性通常是反抗现有秩序的人。所以，他们反抗的是什么？ 在这种情况下，你知道，他们发现什么。所以，欧洲的年轻男性会更倾向于投票给民粹主义右翼。

而不是主流右翼。嗯，他们总是会占据过高的比例。他们不会投票给建制派政党。 所以，是的，年轻男性是最叛逆的。嗯，他们更愿意冒险。 这毫不奇怪，她们比年轻女性更能逆潮流而行。嗯，但我一直强调的一点是，这不仅仅是关于身为女性的问题，因为如果你观察年长的女性，你会发现她们在很多国家与年长男性并没有太大的区别。真正存在性别差异的，只有这一代年轻女性。所以，这是过去十年间特有的现象。

这种现象对女性的影响尤为显著，对吧？而这正是我们现在看到的。嗯，我略微乐观地认为，我不知道。我不认为这种现象会变得越来越失控。我觉得情况可能略有好转，开始有所缓和。所以，性别差距，我觉得可能正在缩小一些。如果让我根据我所看到的来打赌，嗯，我认为情况不会恶化。而且我认为越来越多的女性现在会说，这对我们的心理健康和幸福真的有好处吗？也许这并不是我们真正的未来我们必须重新思考我们想要的生活。我不知道。 我只是觉得我们正处于一个过程的开始。而且我觉得这种意识形态大概不会一直持续下去。 不过，挺有意思的。《新政治家》上有一篇文章。我不知道你有没有看到，那篇文章是关于愤怒的年轻女性的。这是一本左翼杂志。

这篇文章在网上疯传，内容是他们说：“你看，英国的年轻男性其实并不右倾。

如果非要说的话，他们比年长的男性更左倾。真正走火入魔的是年轻女性。”他们采访了一些年轻女性她们说，你知道，她们不信任男人，她们不喜欢男人，你知道，女人处境艰难，她们无法所有这些信念都是她们在大觉醒运动的激进化过程中形成的。嗯，而且实际上，真正的问题不在于“非自愿独身者”（incels）、安德鲁·泰特（Andrew Tate）等等，而在于女性身上正在发生的事情，你知道，这在很多方面才是真正的反常现象。所以，谁知道事情会如何发展，但我认为会有越来越多的……我不知道。我……我愿意相信我们至少能在某种程度上摆脱这种困境。

很有意思。我的最后一个问题，您认为加拿大在未来5到10年会是什么样子？您是乐观还是悲观？ 嗯，这很难说，对吧？比如，我认为短期内……我比较悲观，因为我认为特朗普让加拿大的政治陷入了深度冻结，这使得左翼文化势力得以继续苟延残喘，而且没有受到任何反对。 另一方面，我认为有几点值得乐观。一是加拿大年轻一代按国际标准来看相对保守。 所以，当他们成为中间选民时，我认为他们会改变加拿大的政治格局。这是一个长期的乐观点。嗯，另一点是，一些有趣的事情正在发生，比如在不列颠哥伦比亚省，先是“一个BC”，现在又是BC省的保守党竞选。我们可能会听到稍后，卡罗琳·艾略特和其他一些候选人的发言，他们真的在打破禁忌，所以他们现在真的愿意进入文化领域。同样，在阿尔伯塔省，我们也看到了丹妮尔·史密斯的一些政策创新。所以，我认为这是某种新萌芽，或许预示着新的加拿大右翼展现出的新政治勇气，或许能慢慢扭转局面。但我认为机会之窗可能要等到特朗普卸任后才会出现。我希望我是错的，但我认为，在他下台之前，加拿大政治的扭曲局面仍将持续。好的，埃里克·霍夫曼，我的问题都问完了。谢谢。谢谢你，亚历克斯。很高兴与你交流。

好了，我们的采访到此结束。我想知道你们的看法。请在下方留言。如果你喜欢这个视频，请点赞。如果你还没订阅并开启通知，那就订阅吧。 第三章：结尾 已经。而且，请考虑加入付费频道会员，每月不到5美元，因为与传统媒体不同，我不接受政府任何资助。下次再见，愿上帝保佑。 哇。真热。

Professor REVEALS What Canadians Aren’t Being Told About Carney

Elie Cantin-Nantel   2026年5月3日

Canada is a warning to the Western world of what happens when wokeness takes over a country’s institutions.

No one knows this better than Eric Kaufmann, a Canadian professor of politics at the University of Buckingham and the author of The Third Awokening: A 12-Point Plan for Rolling Back Progressive Extremism.

In addition to talking about wokeness, Kaufmann told me things about Mark Carney that most Canadians aren’t being told.

BUY ERIC KAUFMANN's BOOK: https://www.amazon.ca/Third-Awokening...

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There's two parts to woke. One is the movement energy which peaks around 2020 or 2021 and then they start to lose

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influence in the newspapers and around the world. The second however part is the institutionalization of woke as DEI

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policies. Even though Carney isn't shoving it in your face the way Trudeau is, he is not touching any of the thiefs

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and he's more or less playing running interference for wokery in so so and no politician is really challenging him on that.

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Journalism and commentary one year anniversary.

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I don't believe journalism being funded by the government. You have to rebuild the foundation. You have to retell the story.

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Market conservative news that actually matters. I hence when I think they should answer their questions, especially if they're politically

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charged with Canada is a warning to the Western world of what happens when woke ideology takes

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over every single one of your institutions.

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Someone who is well aware of this is Professor Eric Kaufman. He is a Canadian professor of politics at Buckingham

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University in the United Kingdom and the author of the book The Third Awokening,

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a 12-point plan for rolling back progressive extremism. Kaufman has appeared on many of the world's top

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podcast, including Jordan Peterson, and he recently joined me for an interview

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in Vancouver. We talked about what is happening in Canada right now. I asked them why were the Liberals reelected, if

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Canadians are being told the truth about where the country is going under Mark Carney, how Canada is being viewed on the international stage, and we discuss

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how young people could end up being the ones who save Canada. This was an absolutely fascinating conversation that

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you do not want to miss. But before we get to that mustwatch conversation, be sure you are subscribed, comment your

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thoughts down below, like this video, hit the notification bell, and consider getting a paid subscription for less than $5 a month because unlike the

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legacy media, we take 0 from the government. So, I'm here with Professor

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Eric Kaufman. Uh, Eric, it seemed like in November 2024 that woke was over.

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Donald Trump won the 2024 election. a lot of big companies. They got rid of DEI and in Canada Pure Polyv had a huge

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lead in Napole and it looked like there would be a reckoning here in Canada and then out of nowhere Mark Carney came along and the Liberals got a fourth term

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and they're continuing with woke policies. What happened with Canada? Why didn't we see a great unwokening like in other parts of the world?

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Yeah, I mean I think there's a couple things there. I mean the first is that there's two parts to woke. One is the movement energy which peaks around 2020

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or 2021 and then they start to lose influence in the newspapers and around the world. The second however part is

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the institutionalization of woke as DEI policies right so equity and diversity that means equal outcomes and inclusion

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means speech suppression in order not to offend anybody those policies become institutionalized. Now the other part of this is so in the US the Trump

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administration red states are starting to take action to to remove this stuff from public institutions but of course in Canada that hasn't really happened

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except very tepidly in Alberta. Um what happens of course is that yes with Trump's you know 51st state rhetoric and

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the tariffs there's a rally round a flag effect. Carney's in position and actually I think already Trudeau was benefiting a little bit from that before

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he was ejected. So Carney is able to pose as I'm the slick smart banker who will defend you from the bad orange man.

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Right? So I think that sort of has put a freeze on normal development in Canada and has allowed a longer lease on life

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for woke, you know, and and of course even though Carney isn't shoving it in your face the way Trudeau is, he is not touching any of the thiefs and he's more

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or less playing running interference for wokery and can so so in and no politician is really challenging him on

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that. He's coming across, he's able to come across as a centrist when actually he's protecting radicalism. And he's not

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really being challenged in the press or by other politicians about that. And I think probably that needs to happen if we're going to start to see movement

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again. Talked on two interesting points and I will do kind of a a double a follow-up. You talked about Carney's protecting radicalism and also wanted to

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ask you, do do you think Canadians are being told the truth about Mark Carney in the media? Do you think there's things about Mark Carney that most Canadians aren't aware?

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Yeah, probably not. I mean, the media obviously is in love with Mark Carney.

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The mainstream, Canada obviously has a very left dominant media, a media which is more balanced in some other countries like Britain for example. Um, and so

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there's not the scrutiny of him and also there's not the, you know, you have to get particularly the cultural issues up front and center. So you need it on the

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floor of the House of Commons. You need it in the papers. You need the average citizen to be aware. You know, Mark Carney won't do anything about the trans

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issue, which is this crazy, you know, men and women's jails, men and women's, you know, gender reassignment. He's not

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touching that. Indigenous, he's totally behind the idea that we're all guilty and that we're on stolen land. He's not

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touching that. You know, all of that stuff he's getting away with because the media is never going to call him on that because they agree with him. and

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opposition politicians have not yet focused on that. It seems to me, again, I'm not here all the time, but my

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impression is Polyv is is still trying to sort of go after economic fine points and he's not really willing, I think, to

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say, "Hey, this is the sort of show in our institutions. These are not this is uncannadian values, anti- family,

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anti- everything." Carney is protecting these people and he's not. I don't hear that rhetoric. Uh maybe I'm missing it, but it seems like

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he's getting a free pass. Uh Erin Tulle, who's the former conservative leader, recently gave an interview and he said conservatives should move away from

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culture war issues. You know, they're doing a bit, but they're not doing as much as some of us would like, but apparently even that's too much. What do you have to say to that? And do you

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think actually that Pierre Polyv should double and triple down on some of the culture issues if he wants to do better in the next election?

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Yeah, I mean um well very simply I mean I think Otul is in the old mold right where the left says you know conservatives you're allowed to talk

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about economics you're not allowed to stray outside that sandbox. Um, and Otul says, "Yeah, let's be the useful idiots and let's let's let the left uh police

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the boundaries of acceptable speech uh so that maybe some centrist voters might think we're okay." And that obviously didn't work for Otto. Um, no. I think if

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you look at public opinion surveys um on on issue after issue, whether it be removing Sir John A. McDonald, whether it Canada, is Canada a racist country,

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whether it be, you know, um, should we be color have color conscious or colorblind policies on all of these and many, many other questions. I did a

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survey for MLI. Canadian public is two to one against the woke position. So, the woke forces have every incentive to

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want to suppress these debates and enforce and police the bounds of what you can say in polite company. Ot wants

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to sort of be a useful idiot and go along with that. What's required is in fact the opposite strategy which is to

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push the salience and the the the visibility of these issues higher and higher up the agenda where the left is

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so somebody should say to Carney um what is a woman, right?

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And and to to put him on the spot, make him answer that question and don't let him out of it. That's what I would envision needs to happen. Right now, of

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course, you'll never have that in a f federal debate because the mainstream channels will always will never ask that question, but somebody needs to sort of

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get these questions higher up the agenda so people can understand how radical um the liberals actually are in terms of

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what they what they are defending in the institutions. And that's what I mean is you need to elevate the the culture war.

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So in Alberta for example where Daniel Smith is slowly starting to do some of this thing and it doesn't seem to me that that's harming her chances at all.

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I mean you still have to deliver economically but I think the more those differences between the parties can be pushed up the agenda the better.

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Um and I think a guy like Otul he's simply trying to reflect the talking points of the media elite and the kind

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of people that have you over to dinner parties in Ottawa. Yeah, that would be a disastrous strategy in my view.

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Um, so in in recent weeks, Canada's gone

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internationally for a few incidents, including uh a member of parliament named Leah Gazan, who came up with a new

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LGBTQ acronym that was, I believe, MWY G2SLGBTQQ.

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there was the uh NDP convention where there was the equity cards and where there was all of this woke uh charade.

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Uh you're you work in the UK so you spend a lot of time outside of Canada. What is the perception of Canada?

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Outside of Canada, do people view Canada as like the wokest country in the world?

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Yeah, I think that that Canada is a bit of a laughingstock for this kind of stuff that all circulates virally, right? And problem is these politicians and

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activists are in a bubble. They think that's normal, but once it's exposed to the light of day, it's a laughingstock,

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right? And and but it just kind of shows how they can get away with it because they're so insulated by all of these elite public norms and by these

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institutions that within their world, yeah, of course, you want to v virtue signal as much as possible, right? Um, so yeah, I I and I think the the equity

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uh you know, the uh oppression point cards or whatever they had in I'm surprised they didn't have like a pack of cards where somebody could wave

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around an ace. You know, I've got all I tick all the boxes and someone else, well, I'm maybe a 10. I've kind of got race, but I don't have sexual

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orientation, so I'll give me a 10, right? And then the white man, straight guy walking around with a two. Um, but no, I I think this is all part of the

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perception that Canada is kind of the ground zero for wokery, right? I mean, there are other countries that are, you know, have problems, too, like New

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Zealand with its sort of Mauy agenda and Ireland has a lot of wokery. Well, but I think Canada is still in the lead if

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we're going to put money on a horse, right? Um, well, you teach in the UK.

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Okay, the UK has been in the news a lot for censorship, for banning people from entering the country who have views the government deems offensive, for putting

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people in jail for speech crimes. Uh, in Canada, the Carne government uh has a

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bill called Bill C9, which could criminalize scripture, and Trudeau tried to pass bill C63, which a lawyer told me would have been the most dystopian piece

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of speech legislation. Are you worried that Carney and the Liberals could take Canada to a place like the UK when it comes to free speech?

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Oh yeah, I am. And I think that is the logical outcome because really don't forget it's not just the law itself, which might on the face of it be a bit

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innocuous. It's it's how that will then give license to the minions in the institutions, the human rights tribunals

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in the the the bureaucracy to then take action and say, "Yeah, but because of this law, we've got to do this." Even though they're misinterpreting the law.

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So, we've seen that in Britain a lot where they'll say because of the 2010 Equality Act, uh, we can't have this transphobic quote unquote speaker come

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to the campus or or these gender critical feminists, we can't, you know, allow them to say what they want because it's against the Equality Act. Now, it's

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not against the Equality Act, but they can misread willfully or, you know, out of ignorance these acts. And so actually

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you have to look at how this will filter through and then the chilling effects it's going to have because no one wants to risk uh being hauled in front of

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these tribunals. So yeah, I think it'll have a absolutely massive effect. Um I think one reason Britain is in the position it's in is because of the

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terrorism issue from the mid 2000s and the counter Islamic radicalization which gave a lot of power to the police to

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sort of police speech. Uh, initially, you know, this idea of counterterrorism was the was the sort of stalking horse.

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Very quickly, it got turned away from Islamist terrorism towards quote unquote far-right white nationalists. Right? So,

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anything you do could have unintended consequences. But what I'd say in Britain is there's a lot of push back in the media, in parliament against, you

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know, the non-rime hate incidents, against, you know, people showing up at your door. That stuff is gradually is being repealed actually. Now, it's still in the bureaucracy, the blob.

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It's going to have to be scraped out probably by the next government, but there's been a lot of vocal push back. And so, I'm still more worried

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about Canada in this respect than Britain actually, because Canada still, we don't know where these laws are going to go. And they could go much further

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than what exists in Britain, I think. So what we saw in the last election in Canada is the older folks, the baby boomers voted liberal and the younger

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people voted conservative. The youth are more right-wing than the old. What do you make of this phenomenon? Well, first

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of all, it is unique as far as I can see anywhere in the west. Uh like in Britain, the young are way more

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leftwing. like maybe they are 8020 um uh right to left in in in amongst if you take the under 25s it might it's it's

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I've seen polls where voting for reform in the Tories that's like 10%.

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Right? Whereas nationally it's 50 it's like 10% for the under 25s. So the young people are way way way more leftwing.

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Um, then you have Canada where the young people are, you know, I think it depends which poll you look at and Angus Reed, it's it's maybe not. It looks more like

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the young are the same as the old, but either way, it is an anomaly. And and I think that's very interesting. Also

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makes me more hopeful uh for the future of Canada that you have had a generation that's reacting against indoctrination by progressivism.

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Um whereas in Britain they've been reacting against 14 years of the Tories in government, Brexit and all this other stuff. They still think the right is the

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establishment. So they're going to be the rebellious left-wingers. Um but what what's so weird and interesting in Canada is they've reacted against a a

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largely woke establishment. And so that then sets in motion a very different generational

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profile. Um, I I think if you look at the public opinion data, what you actually see is very wide polarization

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among young people. So, young people are at the same time more anti-woke and more woke than older people in Canada. And I

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think it's going to be really interesting to see when that group of young people become the median voter. I mean, they're going to be really, really polarized. So, it's going to be really interesting.

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One demographic though when you look at the young it's mostly young men who are conservative and young women uh seemingly of all age groups tend to

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be more on the left. There's a stereotype of like the white liberal women and in some polls we see actually unlike immigration for example we'll see

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white liberal women be more pro- immigration than immigrants themselves.

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Why is that demographic seemingly very very attracted to more progressive ideas? Yeah, I mean there's different theories. So I mean there's obviously

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the Helen Andrews kind of feminization argument that, you know, women are evolutionary selected to be carers and that caring instinct has now been broadened out to various victim groups.

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I I think that's part of it, but I also think what what's possibly more important is women tend to back up the

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status quo moral order. So if the prestigious moral order you're taught by your in the schools and in the media and

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youth culture is woke, then women are going to uphold and conform to that moral order. And I think that's so so

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women, for example, young women, they they were more religious, right, at other times and places. Um in the US, we've got data going back to 1970, women

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were more conservative than men in the 70s and 80s. And it's really only in the 2010s that they start to diverge. And I

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think that's really due to this the great awakening and they're very much backing up that elite morality that that

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consensus morality. I've also seen some data suggesting that that peaked with the Great Awoken starting to fall off

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around 2021 that like in the US the 18-year-old female freshman students

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they've become 15 points more conservative and in the last US election young women I think shifted six points

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towards the Republicans since 2020. So, I do think that we've seen peak female

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progressive wokeism. I mean, that's I think we've reached that and it's starting to to to retreat from that high water mark, but right now they are still

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vastly more woke because young men are the ones who are typically going to rebel against the existing order. And so, they're rebelling against whatever

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they find in this case, you know. So, so young young men will vote for the populist right across Europe much more

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than the mainstream right. um they're always going to be over represented.

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They're not going to vote for the establishment parties.

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So, yeah, young men are the most rebellious. Uh they're more risktaking.

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It's not surprising that they're the ones who are bucking these trends much more than young women. Uh but one one point I always make is it's not simply

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about being a woman because if you look at older women, they don't differ from older men very much in in many countries. It's really only this

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generation of younger women where there's a gender gap. So, it's something very specific to the last 10 years

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that's worked on women uh very specifically, right? And that's kind of what we're seeing. Um I'm

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slightly optimistic in that I think that I don't know. I don't think that this this phenomenon is just going to get more and more and more out of control. I

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I think it's probably slightly turned around uh and is starting to moderate a little bit. So, the gap the gender gap I

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think is probably narrowing a little bit. If I if I were to to wager given what I've seen, um I don't think it's going to escalate. And I think there's

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more and more women who are now saying, well, is this really good for us in our mental health and our well-being? And maybe it's not not really the future for

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us, and we've got to rethink what we want out of life. And I I I don't know.

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I just think we're at the beginning of a process. And I think probably this ideology isn't going to keep going.

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Although, it's funny. There's a piece in the New Statesman. And I don't know if you saw that angry young women. It was a This is a left-wing magazine. Got a lot

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of uh the piece went viral and it's all about them saying, "Look, young men in Britain are not actually to the right.

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They're if anything to the left of older men. It's young women who've gone completely off the scale." And and they interviewed some of these young women

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who who were saying things like, you know, they they don't trust men, they don't like men, you know, women get a harsh terrible deal, they can't get

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ahead. all these beliefs that they've acquired through the radicalizing process of the Great Awakening. Um, and

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that's actually it's not incelss and Andrew Tate and all that stuff that's really the the emergency. It's it's

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what's going on with women, you know, that's that's in many ways much more the aberration. So, who knows where that goes, but I think there's going to be

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more and more I I don't know. I like I I like to think that we're going to pull out of this tail spin at least to some degree.

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Very interesting. My last question, where do you see Canada in the next 5 to 10 years? And are you optimistic or pessimistic?

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Well, it's a mix, right? Like I think short term I'm I'm I'm pessimistic because I think Trump kind of puts

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Canada's politics in the deep freeze and so it allows the left-wing cultural left dispensation to keep zombieing on and and without opposition.

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On the other hand, I there's a couple of points of optimism. One is that the younger generation of Canadians is relatively conservative by international

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standards. So when they become the median voter, I think they will change Canadian politics. So that's a longer term optimistic point. Um the other

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point is there is some interesting things happening like here in British Columbia with first one BC and now the BC conservative race. We might hear

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later on uh from Caroline Elliott and a number of other other candidates and they're really breaking taboos and so they are really willing now to go into

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cultural territory. Alberta similarly we've seen some policy innovation from Danielle Smith. So, I think that's the

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kind of first green shoots uh of possibly the beginning of a new

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what uh new political bravery on the Canadian right that might slowly start to turn the tide on this stuff. But I

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think that the window of opportunity is probably not going to happen until after Trump is out of office. I I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think it I until he's

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gone, I think the distortion of Canadian politics will remain. All right, Eric Hoffman, these are all my questions. Thank you. Thank you, Alex. It's been a pleasure.

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