沙特瓦利德王子：中国有4000年历史纵深，他们习惯于用更长的时间尺度来思考问题！

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y64glMrpzHw

2026年4月9日

沙特瓦利德王子，这位被誉为“中东股神”的沙特王室成员，以其在投资界的精准眼光而闻名，也因其对国际地缘政治的独到见解而备受关注。这一段采访，时值特朗普再次入主白宫，正式开启特朗普2.0时代，全球经济和地缘政治即将迎来巨震。在这一段采访中，瓦利德王子坦诚地分享了他对中东局势、中美关系、全球地缘政治以及他对中美俄三强的看法与观察。

Prince Alwaleed: Trump’s Tariff’s, DeepSeek, & Going From Fox News’ Biggest Investor to Backing X

Tucker Carlson  2025年2月5日 The Tucker Carlson Show
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal is one of the biggest media investors in the world. Here’s why he thinks X now dominates everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_eFGCBPuuM

Chapters:
0:00 Prince Al Waleed’s Thoughts on Donald Trump
2:26 Saudi Arabia’s Relationship With Israel and Iran
6:55 Negotiating With Trump
7:56 Wokeism and Transgenderism
11:34 Rupert Murdoch, Corporate Media’s Left-Wing Bias, and Investing in X
16:13 Why Are Bezos and Zuckerberg Suddenly Pro-Trump?
24:31 Western Europe Is Very Sick
29:22 Trump’s Tariffs
30:55 China’s DeepSeek
34:13 Venezuela’s Oil Reserves
42:24 American, Russian, and Chinese Imperialism
50:02 Why Alwaleed Refuses to Invest in Crypto
53:00 The West’s Drug and Alcohol Problem

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Do you think China wants an empire?

Look, China, I think, you know, they have 1.5 1.3 billion people. I think the first priority really is to control their domestic situation and have growth. I was reading yesterday that China ex did not really answer, did not reply yet. This thing is time is composed, you know, is more long-termer.

Look, China is dynasty has been 40 4,000 years old. So really one year, one one month, four years of any tenor of any president really they they they not too fast in in replying. I used to meet him always at the Microsoft meeting with Bill Gates.
0:3939秒钟You know, I think you know Jakma really you know you know China look is is a centralized political system and I think
0:4747秒钟he went a bit too far you know with the I'm being very frank with you. he went a bit too far in his being outspoken against the regime and against the
0:5656秒钟communist system. So he was just told to just to cool it down a little bit. And I think that's what happened. He he's now in in a cooling down period.
1:471分钟47秒钟When Trump was elected in November, the world was really on the on the cusp of two major con of of two big conflicts that could potentially get much bigger
1:561分钟56秒钟in Eastern Europe and in this region. Do you think he can successfully resolve those conflicts?
2:042分钟4秒钟Look, we all know Netanyahu is going to meet him tomorrow. Yes.
2:072分钟7秒钟And I really hope that President Trump is very forceful in imposing or at least forcing Israel to have a a peaceful
2:162分钟16秒钟resolution to this Palestinian issue that's been going on since uh the 19 mid late 1940s.
2:242分钟24秒钟It's about time to have a final solution for the Palestinian cause to stop all those terrorist act that are really unwarranted like the one happened in
2:312分钟31秒钟October. And obviously you're alluding to the Ukraine war also. It's about time to have this war end. A useless war
2:382分钟38秒钟between Russia and Ukraine that that caused, you know, hundreds of thousand pe of people die from both sides, civilians and and otherwise.
2:472分钟47秒钟What's the solution to the problem in the Middle East?
2:502分钟50秒钟Look, uh the stated official position of Saudi Arabia, which I really support of Crown Prince Muhammad Malman who was was announced on your ex channel Fox. Yes.
3:013分钟1秒钟He said publicly that you know we are uh having discussions with Israel to acknowledge each other but as a good proco we need to have Palestinian state.
3:103分钟10秒钟We have we need to have the rights of the Palestinians acknowledged and we need to have Palestine independent and have as capital city East Jerusalem. So
3:203分钟20秒钟if these things are met, I think Saudi Arabia is more than ready to have uh diplomatic relations between Saudi between between Saudi Arabia and Israel
3:283分钟28秒钟as Crown Prince Mhamd announced few months ago.
3:323分钟32秒钟From an outsers's perspective, Saudi Arabia does not have official diplomatic relations with Israel, but it's certainly aligned with Israel against
3:403分钟40秒钟Iran. That's the way it looks from outside. Is that do you think that's fair to say?
3:433分钟43秒钟Oh, look, I mean, it's very easy to get against against Iran, aligned against Iran. Iran is, you know, is is is is a
3:513分钟51秒钟nation based dogmatically on on on on terroristic ideas. You know, we have seen how every country that Iran goes to, you have turmoil. Look at Iraq,
4:024分钟2秒钟Syria, Lebanon, uh Gaza, Yemen, uh Sudan, all those countries, what's
4:104分钟10秒钟common among them? You have the Iranian infiltration in them. Uh so clearly it's not it's not it's not not easy not difficult at all
4:184分钟18秒钟to be in alliance with any country against Iran because Iran always plans the seeds of trouble, chaos and confusion wherever they are.
4:274分钟27秒钟So that's the view of Israel too as you know. So you have that that big perspective in common with the Israeli government despite your differences.
4:354分钟35秒钟So there's been progress I would say between Saudi Arabia and Israel but I don't think there's been any progress on the prospect of a Palestinian state.
4:424分钟42秒钟People have been saying that for you know, well, certainly since 1967, but we're feels like we're farther from that.
4:504分钟50秒钟We are very far of of course after what happened uh in Gaza. But I think with a strong leadership from the United States
4:584分钟58秒钟and with the uh effectiveness that that the United States could really have in in in in the West Bank with the
5:065分钟6秒钟Palestinian authorities, if they can have these people being more effective and more dynamic and inject some some uh
5:135分钟13秒钟some fluidity and some uh uh uh some power and influence in them, they could really be the the power to be reckoned
5:215分钟21秒钟with. Uh so where Israel could have a negotiate with the Palestinian Authority and hopefully that they can have a
5:305分钟30秒钟control over what's happening in in in Gaza. Also,
5:355分钟35秒钟you know Donald Trump well. I know him a long time ago, you know, from from the time we bought from him the Plaza Hotel and we also bought from him the his uh Trump Princess yacht that I still have.
5:475分钟47秒钟How did you wind up with Donald Trump's yacht? Not many people can say that. Not many people have Donald Trump's yacht, but you do. How did you get it? I mean, how did that happen?
5:545分钟54秒钟Yeah, we we we we bought it, I think,
5:575分钟57秒钟you know, in the in the late 80s and know Trump did take possession of it and he renovated it and I think he reached a stage where he, you know, he not really
6:056分钟5秒钟want to have it anymore. So, we did buy it from him.
6:086分钟8秒钟What's he What was your experience with Trump? What's he like?
6:116分钟11秒钟Oh, I mean, look, with Trump, I think if you straight with him, you know, you get a straight answer. You know, we had very good dealing with President Trump, you
6:186分钟18秒钟know, when he was a businessman, whether during the the the purcha hotel from him or buying his his Trump Princess yacht.
6:266分钟26秒钟So, you were not anti-Trump. Oh, no. No. I'm we can't be anti-Trump.
6:306分钟30秒钟You know, we we because we are pro America. We have to be pro Trump especially with the new policies that he's taking right now. You know, I very I'm very much conservative socially
6:396分钟39秒钟speaking. Yes. and all his policies right now in being anti-woke, being anti-leftwing, being anti- all those crazy things that's happening on the
6:476分钟47秒钟left. We are for sure pro Trump on these matters and also all his policies,
6:516分钟51秒钟economical policies that that uh in looking after the eradication of the US deficit. These are all conservative uh
6:596分钟59秒钟policies that we we support. Look, I lived in America. I I I graduated from the uh west coast, you know, from uh
7:077分钟7秒钟university in California and I finished my masters in the east coast in America.
7:117分钟11秒钟So, we all love America. We want America to be strong.
7:157分钟15秒钟Western Europe seems like it's falling apart. Is that your impression?
7:197分钟19秒钟Uh Western is aging is is is in is sick.
7:257分钟25秒钟You know, you seen most of the West Europe specifically, uh, uh, wrong policies, uh, bureaucracy,
7:347分钟34秒钟uh, low speed and movement. You know, we see Italy, for example, under Milan, you know, she's, she's not the star.
7:417分钟41秒钟She is a conservative, uh, I would not say right-wing Frank speakers, conserv No, no, it's very conservative and pragmatic lady. And look, now Italy is
7:497分钟49秒钟still is is the star in in all Europe right now. But really,
7:537分钟53秒钟did you ever think you would live long enough to say Italy is now the star of Europe?
7:587分钟58秒钟Yeah. I I and I really hope that Europe wakes up because you know, West Europe is the life United States of course.
8:038分钟3秒钟But really, you look the policies in in England, UK, France, Germany, Spain, they are really very much backwards.
8:118分钟11秒钟They they need to wake up. Frankly speaking, can a country run without energy?
8:178分钟17秒钟It's almost impossible. You cannot. You cannot. I mean, look look at UK. I mean,
8:218分钟21秒钟look, the Labor took part, took the reign of power from the Conservatives, and look where they are right now.
8:278分钟27秒钟They're exactly where the where the Conservatives were when they left the government few months ago.
8:338分钟33秒钟So, the UK is running out of natural gas. Mhm.
8:378分钟37秒钟And but that and that's true across Western Europe. These countries don't have enough energy to have first world economies.
8:448分钟44秒钟Will that change?
8:488分钟48秒钟Look uh I I I'm not worried about that frankly speaking because you know they will always find a way to find gas you know
8:558分钟55秒钟whether it's United States or other parts you see the Arab world also did help a lot in supplying the Western Europe with gas you know once they shut
9:049分钟4秒钟down the the pipes from from Russia so I think the B administration blew them up right
9:129分钟12秒钟we heard about that you know did you hear about that I know that I bother that unfortunately why Would the Germans allow their allies
9:209分钟20秒钟in Washington to blow up their natural gas pipeline and not say anything about it?
9:249分钟24秒钟You said that, you know, you should answer that question.
9:299分钟29秒钟I have some theories. Um, but you're saying that that all their ideas are leading to their destruction.
9:379分钟37秒钟Yeah. You know I think at least they're leading to their their uh look they have so many problems uh in
9:449分钟44秒钟west Europe and uh unfortunately they are not being acknowledged and you have seen them a lot of uh right-wing parties
9:529分钟52秒钟like in France Le Pen for example coming very strongly and she may will she may win may well will win win the elections
9:599分钟59秒钟a few years from now. So all this causing the right wing to come up very strongly and unless they wake up so fast
10:0510分钟5秒钟and and do some quick remedies to their economical policies and also their political system. It's just funny to
10:1310分钟13秒钟hear you say that. So in Europe you often say it's a battle between you know the native population and the Muslim immigrants. Here you are a Muslim with
10:2210分钟22秒钟prayer beads in your hand saying you want more right-wing parties in Europe.
10:2510分钟25秒钟M well you know I I I really am asking for to be more more more centrist for sure. Look at for example Melania when
10:3210分钟32秒钟she ran she run on on a very right-wing uh policy but when she took over she just went the center. That's true.
10:3910分钟39秒钟You know the the the when you reign when you take power you are forced to be more pragmatic. She's very pragmatic lady. Yes.
10:4510分钟45秒钟You know and her policies are very logical and centrist.
10:4810分钟48秒钟So uh many policies of the left wing really failed in in Europe. did not work
10:5510分钟55秒钟and I really hope that u uh that they go back to center and and and and find really
11:0311分钟3秒钟take major decisions to really jump start the process like Trump is doing out in America America Trump is shaking up the whole US political system
11:1111分钟11秒钟political system economical financial system even now we have a serious tariffs now I mean this is still you know we're on uncharted territory we don't know where it's going to be
11:1911分钟19秒钟heading we don't know if these um tariffs are there to stay or they they're therefore negotiating tool to reach some conclusions with Canada and Mexico.
11:2911分钟29秒钟Well, you've negotiated with Trump against Trump,
11:3211分钟32秒钟you know, to buy his the plaza and his and his boat. What do you think?
11:3611分钟36秒钟Well, when negotiate with him was a businessman. Now he's the leader of the strongest country in the world, United States of America. I think with Trump,
11:4311分钟43秒钟if you come with him straight and not necessarily succumb to what he's asking for, but if you're logical and pragmatic with him, you can reach a conclusion, a deal and very fast.
11:5311分钟53秒钟How long did it take you to negotiate the purchase of the plaza? Less than a week. Less than a week. Yes.
12:0112分钟1秒钟Um,
12:0112分钟1秒钟and it's bought less than a week. Very swift, very fast.
12:0512分钟5秒钟So, you think the tariffs are just an opening round in negotiation? Possibly. We don't know yet. Possibly.
12:1112分钟11秒钟Possibly. But the 25% tariffs on, you know, on on on both the northern uh neighbor and southern neighbor Canada
12:1812分钟18秒钟and and Mexico are pretty high. You've seen now how the auto industry was devastated today. They're down more than 10 15%.
12:2512分钟25秒钟Sure. In tra in trading, but the industry itself is sure still it's too early to judge.
12:3012分钟30秒钟Frank speaking that that's a trading you know because today they announced the and today is Monday they're going to announce uh it was announced just now
12:3712分钟37秒钟and they the the instantaneous reflection on that was very negative obviously on the on auto industry
12:4512分钟45秒钟so you know getting into a trade war with Canada and China both of whom are totally dependent on the United States they couldn't exist with the US is
12:5212分钟52秒钟different from doing that with China how does that work well look China I was reading yesterday that China ex did not really answer did
13:0113分钟1秒钟not reply yet this thing is time he's composed you know is more long-termer look China you know look is is is his
13:0813分钟8秒钟dynasty has been 40 4,000 years old so really one year one one month four years of of of tenure of any president really
13:1713分钟17秒钟they they they're not too fast in in replying we have seen Chinese government don't officially reply yet we've seen
13:2513分钟25秒钟seen Mexico replying already very aggressively in putting similar their tariffs especially in Canada. So we have not seen the play of
13:3313分钟33秒钟China yet. But China for sure is different behemoth completely. It's different ball game.
13:3913分钟39秒钟Do you believe the story about deepseek their their AI project that it was developed for under $6 million and is
13:4613分钟46秒钟that is that yeah look look we're investors with Musk and Musk is a genius of our era and
13:5413分钟54秒钟clearly you know he's very conservative in the way he spend now. we put to them,
13:5813分钟58秒钟you know, billions of dollars in having all these uh big mega centers being built in in United States. So really
14:0614分钟6秒钟$5.6 million for this Deep Seek. You know, I really doubt this a little bit.
14:1014分钟10秒钟So, and we're still very early uh part of of of this developing story to see if it's true or not and to see whether they
14:1814分钟18秒钟steal anything from Open AI or uh or where the truth is exactly. But but I you know I think you have to give it
14:2614分钟26秒钟some more time to to see where the deepse seek fit in the in the overall AI equation uh globally.
14:3414分钟34秒钟You made a big bet on Russian energy right after the war in Ukraine started 2022 I think.
14:4014分钟40秒钟Yes with Lucille Gazprom RS now I think those three correct invested these three companies.
14:4614分钟46秒钟How'd you do? Well, we did we did do well, frankly speaking. You know, we did sell part of it. We did with some small profit and now we still have some stake there.
14:5514分钟55秒钟So, the war starts in Ukraine and everyone's running away from Russia and Russian energy. The world is, you know,
15:0215分钟2秒钟reorienting away from hydrocarbons in general and you swoop in and make a huge bet on traditional Russian energy. Why did you do that?
15:0915分钟9秒钟This was part of our our, you know,
15:1215分钟12秒钟investment philosophy and policy. You know we we invested in so many companies that that year in Western Europe, United States and these three Russian companies were were among them,
15:2315分钟23秒钟right? But other people were not doing that. Why did you do that?
15:2615分钟26秒钟We we are sometimes contrarian and successfully so.
15:3015分钟30秒钟If you were to pick apart from AI and energy like another two or three industries that you think are a good bet moving forward, technology,
15:3815分钟38秒钟what kind?
15:3915分钟39秒钟Well, look, we we are in invested very heavily invested in technology. For example, in China, we are in many companies like BU, Alibaba,
15:4715分钟47秒钟Tencent, DD, uh you know, BU is very heavily involved alsor in in artificial intelligence. In America, we are also invested in in we are meta, we are in X,
15:5815分钟58秒钟XEI, in Snapchat, we are many companies also in America. So we have a diversified portfolio in technology. We
16:0616分钟6秒钟are also in in hospitality, you know, in Four Seasons and uh and AOR and we have very diversified portfolio.
16:1416分钟14秒钟So you're in Alibaba. 10 years ago, a little over 10 years ago, Jack Ma was a very famous person in the United States.
16:1916分钟19秒钟He was doing his road show with JP Morgan. Everyone loved Jack Ma. Company gets, you know, one of the biggest market caps in the world. And then Jack Ma disappears. Whatever happened to Jack Ma?
16:2816分钟28秒钟You know, I know Jack very well. I bet you do.
16:3016分钟30秒钟Yeah. I used to meet him always at the Microsoft meeting with Bill Gates. Um you know I think you know Jakma really you know you know China look is is a
16:4016分钟40秒钟centralized political system and I think he went a bit too far you know with the I'm being very frank with you he went a
16:4716分钟47秒钟bit too far in his being outspoken against the regime and against the communist system. So he was just told
16:5416分钟54秒钟just to cool it down a little bit and I think that's what happened. He he's now in in a cooling down period. He's in a cooling down.
17:0117分钟1秒钟Are his whereabouts known? No, he's settling between Japan and China, but he he's coming in now public a little bit right now, but he's not as high profile as before.
17:1017分钟10秒钟Yeah. No, he's not. Can um the United States has a big military footprint in East Asia, mo mostly in Korea and Japan,
17:1817分钟18秒钟but also other countries. Can that continue?
17:2217分钟22秒钟Well, look, as I told you that America is a big force to be reckoned with.
17:2517分钟25秒钟America America is an empire. Now, we don't call empires these days, but America is an empire. you know you uh
17:3317分钟33秒钟you you have hedgemony on the the whole world and America is a force to be listened to too. So I think these these
17:4017分钟40秒钟these bases are very important to stay there to counter what's what's going on with China also.
17:4517分钟45秒钟Yes. Uh so I I know America now is being more somehow a bit isol isolationist in in its approach but you know I think
17:5317分钟53秒钟once that Trump you know get more uh in the second term he will will acknowledge the fact that America needs to have
17:5917分钟59秒钟these uh this presence in all these areas to keep the strength of America consolidated.
18:0718分钟7秒钟So you say that as a big investor in Chinese companies you want to see American troops in Asia stay there.
18:1318分钟13秒钟Well, I mean this I mean in ch not necessarily against China, but you don't you have a crazy guy in North Korea, you know,
18:2118分钟21秒钟who's really a proxy for China though. I mean I mean he he he does take orders from China and somehow from Russia, but also he's a very independent guy and L also.
18:3018分钟30秒钟Do you know him? No, I don't know him. No,
18:3218分钟32秒钟you have no North Korean investments at all.
18:3418分钟34秒钟No at all. If I'm going to go there, I ask Trump to introduce me to him. He's his friend.
18:3918分钟39秒钟It was a bold move from President Trump to meet him. Oh, I I was there. It was It was a bold move. No, there's no doubt about it. And he took a lot of criticism.
18:4818分钟48秒钟I mean, what what do you since you're from the Middle East, I would say your mother was Lebanese.
18:5518分钟55秒钟You're related to people in power in a bunch of different countries. It's very common here for people for adversaries to meet and talk. In the West, in the
19:0319分钟3秒钟last couple decades, the idea has been if we disagree with you, we're not talking to you. What do you think of that? No, I am frankly speaking I am I'm
19:1119分钟11秒钟I'm very much supporting what Trump does here to talk to his adversaries. I think it's a plus. I mean for now we hear that
19:1919分钟19秒钟Trump is going to open communication with with Putin on Ukraine. I think I'm for it frankly speaking you know unless you engage how can you reach a conclusion agreement or arrangement.
19:2819分钟28秒钟I am for it frankly I think that's very bold from him to meet the leader of North of North North Korea. Yes. How would you describe Putin?
19:3619分钟36秒钟Well, Putin is, you know, is is a very smart man and he calculates very well his moves. You know, he's he's a
19:4419分钟44秒钟he's a very smart guy and and clearly he one of the things he said he he feels sorry for the day that the Soviet Union
19:5419分钟54秒钟disintegrated into all these 15 republics.
19:5719分钟57秒钟So, he has this uh empire mentality in him.
20:0220分钟2秒钟It's it's in him. It's in his mind for sure. He still craves for the for the Soviet Union empire and the Zarist
20:1120分钟11秒钟empire that used to be there before the revolution happened 1917. Yes. Everyone wants an empire. Do you think China wants an empire?
20:2020分钟20秒钟Look, China I think you know they have 1.5 1.3 billion people. I think the first priority really is to control
20:2720分钟27秒钟their domestic situation and have growth because look, China has a big problem.
20:3220分钟32秒钟Look, you have a a a very open capitalistic economical system in China
20:3920分钟39秒钟yet the political system is very centralized, authoritarian and communist obviously. Now these two uh don't go
20:4720分钟47秒钟well together. So the question now until when these these two could happen and continue uh you know China is very
20:5520分钟55秒钟concerned about this internal situation obviously and they want to have this growth happening to really to to to to
21:0121分钟1秒钟have its people migrate from being poor the poor level to being middle class.
21:0721分钟7秒钟Yes. That's I think that's the main worry frankly being Russia for foreseeable future.
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